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Doesn't resemble the big dipper to me TBH.

I have never seen a single example of a Germanic swastika with a clear connection to stars/constellations or the alleged representations of the annual seasons in any of the hundreds of examples I have seen.

Additionally the claims it represents the constellation do not hold up to scrutiny when you consider the actual reality of how they saw the stars back then.

The linked article explains that:
-all constellations rotate
-the lines making the swastika don't exist
-to draw the four arbitrary positions would require a conception of a 4 part year (which Heathens did not have -the year had 2 halves)
-The only places where the big dipper can be seen going in a full rotation are so far north that the stars are barely visible in summer anyway, only winter.
-in the viking age the pole was located between the north star (polaris) and β of the little dipper - so not around the pole star as claimed

other points of my own:

Since the zoomorphic germanic swastika (specifically the bird varian) originates in Scythian art and can also be a triskele or a shape with more than 4 birds, it is not clear the number 4 has any significance to it
- the geometric Germanic swastika was borrowed from either celtic, etruscan or Roman art and none of those were far North enough to recognise the rotation of the big dipper around the pole star.
-Numerous contexts of the Germanic swastika pertain to high status Odinic individuals and there is no particular association of the aristocracy, Odin or the ravens used to make the zoomorphic variants with the stars or this specific constellation (except a claim by Cleasby & Vígfusson that it was called Odin's wagon)
-There is no actual reference to "Óðins vagn" as many claim, in Norse literature. Rather Grimm infers something like this from 15th c. Dutch "Woonswaghen"
-The Swedish chronicle calls it karlwagen and Grimm connects this to Thor since karl is a suffix for Thor's name in Sweden.

I hope Mr. Sagnamaðr will watch my forthcoming Swastika video and reassess his opinion of this symbol

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Does Ursa Major draw a swastika in the sky?

The claim that the swastika symbol originates from the movement of the Ursa Major constellation around the North Star may seem credible at first glance. But is this true?

www.group-telegram.com/no/thorsidr.com/330

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Doesn't resemble the big dipper to me TBH.

I have never seen a single example of a Germanic swastika with a clear connection to stars/constellations or the alleged representations of the annual seasons in any of the hundreds of examples I have seen.

Additionally the claims it represents the constellation do not hold up to scrutiny when you consider the actual reality of how they saw the stars back then.

The linked article explains that:
-all constellations rotate
-the lines making the swastika don't exist
-to draw the four arbitrary positions would require a conception of a 4 part year (which Heathens did not have -the year had 2 halves)
-The only places where the big dipper can be seen going in a full rotation are so far north that the stars are barely visible in summer anyway, only winter.
-in the viking age the pole was located between the north star (polaris) and β of the little dipper - so not around the pole star as claimed

other points of my own:

Since the zoomorphic germanic swastika (specifically the bird varian) originates in Scythian art and can also be a triskele or a shape with more than 4 birds, it is not clear the number 4 has any significance to it
- the geometric Germanic swastika was borrowed from either celtic, etruscan or Roman art and none of those were far North enough to recognise the rotation of the big dipper around the pole star.
-Numerous contexts of the Germanic swastika pertain to high status Odinic individuals and there is no particular association of the aristocracy, Odin or the ravens used to make the zoomorphic variants with the stars or this specific constellation (except a claim by Cleasby & Vígfusson that it was called Odin's wagon)
-There is no actual reference to "Óðins vagn" as many claim, in Norse literature. Rather Grimm infers something like this from 15th c. Dutch "Woonswaghen"
-The Swedish chronicle calls it karlwagen and Grimm connects this to Thor since karl is a suffix for Thor's name in Sweden.

I hope Mr. Sagnamaðr will watch my forthcoming Swastika video and reassess his opinion of this symbol

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